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Selling the Legal Profession

May 16th, 2013

Are lawyers also salespeople?

If you asked one of them directly, they’d likely scrunch up their face as if they’d just heard an awful verdict from the bench.

But the truth is in this day and age the legal profession is as competitive as any other (if not more so) for new business. Why do you think that every non-profit board contains at least one lawyer. It’s likely just not out of the goodness of their collective hearts.

So why do many lawyers and firm resist the idea of sales training to get an advantage over their competition? Especially when their industry and its marketing is so tightly regulated and scrutinized?

Maybe it’s the word “sales” itself? In many cases, law firms and their partners just can’t get past the “head trash” of thinking of themselves as salespeople using “sales techniques” to get new business. Perhaps, they think to themselves “after all the hard work in law school and as an associate, now I’m just a salesperson?”

The truth is the future of their firms and their livelihood is based on their ability to acquire and form lasting relationships. While they might not want to view it as “selling” it does include basic sales and Sandler principles including referrals, networking and yes even direct prospecting.

We need to help lawyers reframe the way they think so they can get comfortable with the idea. Instead of sales they might be more comfortable with the idea of developing relationships.

In either case, the Sandler Rules apply.

By: Steve Howell, Vice President of Operations at Sandler Training

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Banking Success: Transactions and Interactions

May 7th, 2013

By: Don Jones, Global Accounts Division, Global Training Consultant

Quick poll: When was the last time you stepped foot in your bank?

From drive-through bank windows to more recent banking amenities like online banking and mobile apps, banks have practically been encouraging customers to stay away for years. Along with the conveniences for the customers, banks benefitted from less overhead and an increased focus on compliance. So after years of being told there’s no need to come inside, it was as if everyone saw the light and stopped entering their bricks-and-mortar bank. Problem solved, right? Not so fast.

Over time, the banks realized a few drawbacks (withdrawals, perhaps?). For starters, selling was near impossible, let alone “upselling.” With just a quick click of a “No thanks” option online, customers are quickly able to bypass new products and services. Whereas face-to-face interaction would allow a bank representative to ask questions and employ techniques to garner interest. Another downside was that bank associates became less customer-service oriented – focused more on transactions, with very little interaction.

So, now what? Banks are working to turn things around and welcome customers back inside by creating an inviting atmosphere staffed with friendlier associates from diverse professional backgrounds (i.e. retail, sales, etc.). Many of the bigger banks are turning to third-party consultants, like Sandler, to train their teams to sell and to know what makes people feel comfortable to purchase – which is especially important when it comes to personal finance.

The more customers come inside and trust the person they’re interacting with, the more opportunities there will be to sell. Because, as you all know, people want to buy, they just don’t like to feel sold.

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Sandler’s reinforcement is like rebar––a powerful strengthener

April 23rd, 2013

Always going. Yes, I am. My thoughts spin as fast as my tires when I’m driving to my Sandler Training center every morning. Of course, often these thoughts are on Sandler as I mentally prepare for my Foundations or President’s Club sessions.

Well, the other morning as I drove through a construction zone on the interstate it was no different, except this time I happened to really look at the old concrete the work crews were removing. Visible in the broken pieces of the road foundation were rods of rebar; the steel bars that reinforce the concrete to make it even stronger, AND MORE POWERFUL. Sandler’s tagline came to mind, “finding power in reinforcement.” It occurred to me that rebar is a perfect example of the concept.

Concrete is strong to begin with, much like Sandler’s sales training concepts which are strengthened in us through gradual, incremental growth through reinforcement, just like the calculated, repetitive use of rebar throughout a concrete slab. Instead of rebar, our constant practicing takes us from knowing to owning the Sandler Selling System.

That notion of making things that are already strong—for example, techniques like reversing, the dummy curve, and negative reverses—even stronger via ongoing reinforcement is a key factor in the success of Sandler-trained sales professionals. When we add the dimensions of our attitude and behavior to technique, we further strengthen the foundation for our success.

Reinforcement contrasts sharply with the experience of traditionally trained Wally Weakcloser. Wally attends a sales workshop here and another one there, taking copious notes which he then files away for future reference. He gets revved up to perform as “Super Salesperson,” but his enthusiasm quickly fades when the going gets tough. And the pep talks by his sales manager don’t give him enough fuel to travel the long haul. Without a system like Sandler, which constantly reinforces concepts for continuous growth in the sales process, Wally has to run on his own steam. He just doesn’t have the tools or the drive to go the distance for SUCCESS.

I think we can take this Sandler roadway analogy one step further. Once we have laid a solid foundation made even stronger through reinforcement, we have a veritable superhighway to take us efficiently to our planned goal/destination, without stops and starts, potholes and dead ends.

The way to become a better salesperson is to utilize the Sandler Selling System to find POWER through reinforcement––concrete and rebar.

Brian Hart is a Sandler Trainer in St. Cloud, MN.

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A Better Way to Role Play

April 22nd, 2013

Most salespeople hate role play even though it is one of the best tools to help them grow. Unfortunately, traditional role plays set up a salesperson to feel bad about themselves instead of learn.

We strongly suggest that managers be the salesperson when role playing, especially when working with new reps, for two reasons. First, playing salesperson allows a manager to demonstrate the behavior they expect of their reps in front of a prospect. Second, a manager shows their team that they’ve still got the skills to sell in the field.

Let’s address what role play really is; practise. Other professionals, like doctors, lawyers and accountants, call what they do “practise,” but for some reason most salespeople don’t make time to practise.

Recent research shows that general practise doesn’t really improve performance, but “deliberate” practise does. Deliberate practise is intense, focused and has a specific outcome for each practise session.

Opportunities for deliberate practise are easy to find if salespeople debrief every one of their sales meetings.

To get better results from your practices follow these four steps:

1. Set the ground rules up front – below are the four rules for practise that my President’s Club members created.

-Don’t be mean – to paraphrase David Sandler the worst person to role play with is a salesperson because they are just dumping all of their bad prospect experiences on you. Practise should be a safe place for each person to succeed and fail, not for one or both people to get their psychological needs met
-Don’t sabotage – the purpose is to practise as close to real as possible. General rule, if you haven’t had a prospect do something to you don’t do it to your partner in practise
-Keep going even if you think you screwed up – anyone who plays an instrument has heard this one. If you stop in the middle of the scene both you and your partner lose an opportunity to learn something further on in your practise
-Start only when everyone understands what the practise is about – pushing someone into a role play is like pushing someone into the deep end of the pool with ankle weights. Neither ends well.

2. Have a specific purpose – pick a specific skill or situations from your meeting debriefs that you believe will help you close more sales in the next 90 days if you improve it

3. Have a specific outcome –David Sandler’s first rule was “you have to learn to fail to win.” Having an outcome and not reaching it will put you farther ahead than someone who practices with no outcome

4. Debrief every practise – research shows that debriefing after practise can double retention. Keep the focus of the debrief understanding why the salesperson said or did something instead of attacking their behavior (e.g. “what caused you to say…?” instead of “when you said…”)

If you want to close more sales and put more money in your pocket make deliberate practise part of your weekly behavior.

Hamish Knox is a Sandler Trainer in Calgary, Alberta.

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Identity vs. Role

March 13th, 2013

Sandler Training has many novel approaches to selling. But back in 2000 when I started my sales training business, there was one topic in particular that I wasn’t expecting in a sales training curriculum. There was an entire section dedicated to insuring that salespeople’s self-identity was separate and distinct from their sales role. I figured that since salespeople get rejected a lot, this chapter was there to ensure salespeople had methods to deal with rejection and not take it all too personally. Years later, I’ve come to realize that is NOT the primary reason why salespeople need to separate their own self-concept or notions of self-worth from their role in sales.

Any clients that couldn’t handle some rejection left sales so quickly that there was no time to even get them to embrace the separation of self-worth from how they make a living. But what I did see were salespeople that experienced early success from using some of the more basic Sandler concepts and an interesting thing happened to them: they soon stopped using the new techniques or they started to “modify” them and nullify any improvements that the techniques had been able to provide. I was dumbfounded. Why would a new skill that actually worked be altered or watered down by the very person that was experiencing the success? I assumed it was a lack of understanding or the eager learner trying to take a new skill to a higher level but making an error in judgment.

Then I read an article about lottery winners. Those rare and lucky people that win a huge sum of money in a state lottery frequently seem to find a way to lose it all. NFL and NBA players get massive contracts after college and then get into equally massive trouble with the police, IRS or bill collectors. Hollywood actors enjoy mega success and then end up in court for misdemeanors and unforgiveable crimes that a chauffeur could have prevented if the actor would have used one. Even major corporations experience incredible success only to eventually lose market share and implode. Executives enjoy phenomenal success, make enormous paychecks and inevitably deal with infighting, turf wars and organizational chart power grabs. I’ve had personal experience with some of these business people and it is a sad sight to witness.

Separating one’s role as a business person from their self-concept (or self-worth) is to enable them to accept their own success. Not the failure, but the success they enjoy! This includes salespeople, too. How often have you seen a salesperson experience success and then find some way to undermine it and go back to their previous results? Identity vs. Role has been studied by scholars such as Pulitzer Prize recipient Erik Erikson. Most scholars and psychologists associate this area with adolescents, not successful business people. But David Sandler recognized that the ability of a salesperson to embrace financial success as an independent achievement separate from their personal identity was crucial for adults too. If you have salespeople that have ample potential but seem to have plateaued, it may very well relate to their own sense of identity or self-worth, not their work ethic or sales skill.

Chip Doyle is a Sandler Trainer in Pleasant Hill, California.

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You can’t earn when you’re in “knowing” mode

March 11th, 2013

Salespeople could significantly increase their earnings if they stopped saying and believing “I know why…”


The reality is that their “knowledge” is a guess created from vague statements from prospects (“we really like your presentation”) and clients (“your service is top notch”) that salespeople leave unexplored because they don’t want to be “pushy”, “rock the boat” or they “know why the client called.”


Keep in mind, the first rule of the prospect’s system is to withhold information (or lie, if you prefer). Prospects and clients are trained to keep the truth from salespeople because they’re mentally and emotionally protecting themselves.
The two primary reasons salespeople choose to “know” instead of exploring vague statements dropped by clients and prospects are: 1) they aren’t mentally and emotionally tough and 2) they aren’t comfortable being vulnerable.

Becoming mentally and emotionally tough doesn’t mean not having emotions or withholding emotions, but it does mean salespeople:

  1. Aren’t attached to the outcome – if their prospect says “no” or their client chooses not to expand their order, they don’t feel gutted.
  2. Don’t get emotionally involved in their meetings – as David Sandler said, “only the prospect may become emotionally involved in the sales interview.” Getting emotionally involved means a salesperson is focused on getting their needs met instead of helping their prospect resolve their pain.
  3. Separate their role from their identity – failing as a salesperson is just role failure. It doesn’t mean that salesperson is a failure as a person. Unfortunately, most of society equates role success or failure with an individual’s self-worth.

Being vulnerable doesn’t mean begging for business. Salespeople who are vulnerable:

  1. Don’t make assumptions – they take statements like, “it looks really good for you (to get our business)” and they find out what their prospect really means.
  2. Establish credibility – by helping their client design a solution to their problem instead of imposing a solution on them.
  3. Learn more and earn more – being vulnerable triggers a psychological reaction in a prospect to “rescue” the salesperson and share more information, which may lead to a larger problem for the salesperson to solve.

By thinking they know instead of making time to be vulnerable and actually learning the truth behind their client’s vague statements, salespeople leave a lot of money on the table and reduce the length of client relationships.

Get mentally and emotionally tough, get out of “knowing” mode and put more money in your pocket.

 

Hamish Knox is a Sandler Trainer in Calgary, Alberta.

 

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Why your onboarding is contributing to your turnover

February 26th, 2013

It’s estimated that the cost of recruiting, interviewing, hiring and onboarding a new salesperson costs a company between $75,000 and $300,000 per rep. Unfortunately for most companies, their onboarding program contributes directly to those new reps leaving.

Let’s pretend we’re watching a newly hired rep; we’ll call him Greg. Greg was highly successful with his last company where he sold to the same type of prospect as his new employer but to different contacts. Greg’s manager believes that his contacts from his previous company will generate warm leads to his new prospects.

On Greg’s first day he spends part of the morning with HR signing documents and reviewing company policies. The rest of the morning is spent reading product brochures and reviewing presentations before his manager takes Greg and his entire team out for a welcome lunch.

The rest of Greg’s first week is spent learning the features and benefits of the products he will sell, shadowing a couple of colleagues on sales calls (not the top performers, of course, they’re “too busy”) and role playing with his manager. The role plays are mostly objection handling sessions that leave Greg feeling very uncomfortable about selling to his new prospects and his manager feeling frustrated that Greg doesn’t “get it” even though he has experience in a similar industry.

At the end of his first month Greg has had some success but not as much as he or his manager thinks he should. So far no warm leads materialized from Greg’s old contacts, which bothers his manager, but Greg hasn’t talked to his old contacts yet because he feels he needs to get his feet under him.

At the end of his second month Greg is in a groove. He is making more dials and going on more sales calls than most of his team, although he was embarrassed in a weekly sales meeting when the vice president of sales put him on the spot to do his elevator pitch and criticized him when he stumbled.

That one incident aside, month two has been pretty good so he’s surprised when his manager tells him he needs to step it up in their Friday one-on-one meeting.

Greg’s manager says they are concerned that his closed business for month two is the same as month one and his pipeline report shows few opportunities advancing through the funnel. After a painful discussion, which leaves Greg feeling demotivated, he and his manager agree that his manager will accompany him on sales calls for at least one week.

At the end of his third month Greg’s closed sales are up but he is very frustrated. His manager kept jumping in on their joint sales calls and became angry in front of a prospect when the prospect revealed at the end of their meeting that a key decision maker wasn’t present so they couldn’t move forward as previously agreed.

Two weeks into month four, one of Greg’s contacts from his old world calls him to offer a senior sales role in their company. The base salary isn’t much higher than what Greg’s making with his current company and the benefits are the same, but Greg leaps at the chance to start over. When Greg gives his manager notice that he’s leaving, his manager is shocked and asks why. Greg’s response is “more money.”

Greg’s story is, unfortunately, too common. But by following these steps, you can significantly improve onboarding, which means your new reps sell more, faster.

  1. Make sure everyone is on the same page – One of David Sandler’s rules is “no mutual mystification.” When an employee is brought on board, both parties should understand each other’s expectations not only for company policies, but also when both of you expect to be performing role duties like making prospecting calls and going on meetings without managerial support.
  2. Have an onboarding timeline documented – The onboarding timeline relates directly to their role and role performance. For example, when is the rep expected to deliver a good elevator pitch, when are they expected to be going on meetings by themselves, when is the rep expected to deliver solo presentations and what’s the expectation around closed new business versus closed business from an existing account? Without documentation reps are left in the dark and managers are frustrated that reps are performing.
  3. Set clear expectations for performance – Separate from the onboarding timeline, what behavior is expected of the rep in week one, week two, week six, week 12 (e.g. number of calls, number of meetings, number of networking events, etc.)? These behavior expectations will be captured in the rep’s prospecting plan (aka “cookbook”) and the initial behavior expectations will come from data the manager has on the rest of their sales team (e.g. percent of calls that become meetings that become closed sales).
  4. Role play safely – Gutsy managers will take on the role of salesperson with their new hires because role plays are one of the best opportunities for a manager to model the behavior they expect. This also takes pressure off a new hire to get it right away.

Employees quitting to pursue other opportunities can’t be prevented, but by setting clear expectations up front, you will significantly reduce your turnover.

 

Hamish Knox is a Sandler trainer based in Calgary, Alberta.

 

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The key to success in sales: an agenda

February 25th, 2013

Your meeting date and time has been established.  You’re confident your product or service is superior to your competitors.  Your goal for the meeting is to convince the prospect.  You’ve planned to be there for 45 minutes.

The prospect checks their calendar and realizes a few minutes before that they’ve scheduled a meeting with some salesperson and they’re not sure of the relevance today.  They’re wondering why they agreed to the meeting and plan to make it short.  They’ll ask a few questions, get a brochure or sample and usher the salesperson out the door saying “they’ll get back to them.”  Fifteen minutes maximum and they’ll be able to get back to what’s important in their day.

It’s apparent from the two scenarios that the salesperson and the prospect each have a different agenda.  Can you imagine what the outcome of the meeting will be?  Have you ever found yourself wondering why there are two different agendas for the same meeting?  Did you both agree to the same thing?

Let’s diagnose where things may have gone wrong.

  1. The appointment was scheduled without a clear intention of what each side was hoping to accomplish.
  2. The amount of time allocated to meet was not established or may have been, however has now changed on the prospect’s side.
  3. The real purpose of the meeting was unclear.
  4. An agreed upon outcome was not discussed prior to the meeting.

In other words – it’s like showing up at the dentist for a cleaning and he’s ready to perform a root canal.

The Sandler Selling System refers to the concept of establishing an agenda for every interaction with a prospect as an Up-Front Contract.  It means prior to the meeting knowing what both parties are planning to accomplish in the time they are together.  A mutually agreed outcome is established.

Following are the components of an agenda:

  1. Establish a mutually agreed purpose for the call or meeting.
  2. Find out what’s important for the prospect.  What are they hoping to achieve in the time you’re together.
  3. Share with the prospect what you as a salesperson would like to accomplish on the phone or in the meeting.
  4. Agree to a specific time you’ll spend together and reconfirm when you arrive at the meeting.
  5. Determine at the beginning of the meeting or telephone conversation what you both mutually agree will happen at the conclusion of your time together.

Establish on the phone what will happen at the meeting and once at the meeting, reiterate what you both agreed to.  This gives the prospect the opportunity to share any changes that may have to be made such as now only having 30 minutes vs the originally planned 45 minutes.  You can adjust your meeting accordingly or reschedule if desired.

Just like being in the dentist’s chair – you don’t want any surprises when you are face-to-face with a prospect.  Being disarmingly honest with the prospect and letting them know up-front what is going to happen in the time you’re together will save time, eliminate the prospect from giving you a vague response as to what happens next and it will move the selling process forward or conclude there isn’t a fit for your product or services.  And set another up-front contract at the meeting as to what happens next.

What will you do prior to your next call or meeting?

“Mutually agreeing to what happens every step of the way ensures that you aren’t surprised at the outcome.”

 

Carol Rosdobutko, Sandler Training Calgary, Alberta, Canada

 

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Building Better Business Developers in Professional Services

February 11th, 2013

The most common complaint we hear from the heads of professional services firms (lawyers, accountants, engineers, marketing or PR agencies) is that their people are technically brilliant, but have a serious aversion to business development.

Totally understandable considering the training the majority of professionals receive relates directly to delivering services they provide (e.g. how to conduct a better audit or how to create a crisis communications plan).

Also, most professionals believe that business development is based on “building great relationships” or “doing great work so we get referrals,” ignoring data that shows relationship-based selling isn’t very effective – it works, just slowly and not that well – and other data that shows only about 20% of clients will ever offer a referral without being asked.

To paraphrase, David Sandler, “you don’t have to like business development, you just have to do it.”

For professionals that want to control their own destiny, the following six suggestions will make you a better business developer without making you sound or feel like a salesperson.

  1. Set weekly business development goals and create a plan to achieve them – Sandler also said, “do a little bit (of business development) all of the time instead of a lot of it some of the time.” Doing business development weekly might seem like a lot if you’re doing little or none now and you might feel like giving up when you don’t have success right away. Don’t. Follow your business development plan for at least 90 days and adjust as needed. As one of my mentors said, “no one ever said ‘thank God you showed up.’” Your first business development activities will make you feel wildly uncomfortable, but as you do more business development your skills will improve and you will be more confident in developing business.
  2. Always keep your potential clients OK – Potential clients are more likely to do business with people they like and trust. As you move a potential client down the business development path towards becoming a client, you may need to challenge their thinking. By watching a potential client’s body language and tonality, you will get early clues that they are feeling not-OK. By nurturing your potential client’s OK-ness, you will make them more comfortable with you and more likely to become a client.
  3. Maintain Equal Business Stature with your potential clients – While you are providing a professional service, you are not a professional servant. Even in traditional sales, potential clients will try to put you in a “one down” position by asking for references, your experience on similar projects and ideas to help solve their problems before you even know if it makes sense to work with them. When faced with a potential client who tries to bully you, stiffen your backbone and suggest that you might not be the right fit. Your potential client is more likely to do business with someone who will stand up for themselves without making the potential client feel uncomfortable.
  4. Never do anything unless you know why you are doing it – This Sandler rule is especially relevant to professional services. Potential clients will often say, “come up with some ideas on how you think you can help us and maybe we’ll work together.” That’s an okay request if you know what will happen after your potential client sees your ideas. Otherwise you’re just doing free consulting.
  5. Make sure you and your potential client are on the same page – Carrying on the example above, it’s great to think you know what will happen when you bring back your great ideas, but it’s better to know what will happen. Think of being on the same page with your potential client like agreeing to go on a road trip in separate vehicles. The ultimate destination is them becoming a client, but if both of you don’t have the same map and agree to where you’ll stop for breaks and what to do if one of you gets lost then your road trip might reach its ultimate destination, but you’ll waste a lot of time and feel a lot of stress before arriving.
  6. Remember that potential clients buy for their reasons not yours – Your potential clients don’t care about how technically brilliant you are, how many awards you won or the big name clients you worked with. They care about finding someone to relieve their specific, painful business problem. Unfortunately, potential clients have been trained to ask all of the questions mentioned in suggestion number 3 and ask for proposals and presentations too, which amount to hours more free consulting. When a potential client approaches, turn the conversation back to them and the issues they’re trying to solve. Your questions will demonstrate your technical brilliance and your potential client will discover on their own that you are the best person to help them.

Becoming a better business developer in a professional services setting means you will feel less stress, be more successful and potentially advance your career faster.

 

Hamish Knox is a Sandler Trainer in Calgary, Alberta.

 

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Living Your Best Life

February 6th, 2013

At Sandler Training, we develop professionals in sales, management and customer service. Professionals have a commitment to be the best they can be. They do things a little differently than the average performers.

What do the most successful professionals in any industry have in common?

They study. They invest in themselves. They practice. They have systems and processes and they use them. Finally, they are driven by passion and purpose.

In my studies, I recently read the book OFF Balance by Matthew Kelly, where he describes living a passion and purpose filled life and I highly recommend it. He says passion and purpose come from personal clarity about how you live your life.

What is the best way to live?

As human beings, we thrive when we seek happiness. Some people mistake this for pleasure or instant gratification. However, what people really desire is satisfaction. Pleasure lasts only as long as the activity producing it. Satisfaction is sustainable health, wealth, and happiness. Learning to make great choices is integral to leading a rich and fulfilling life.

Matthew Kelly describes three philosophies of our age that stop us from achieve sustainable happiness and excellence in our lives and businesses:

  1. Individualism – What is in it for me? This fosters greed, selfishness and exploitation.
  2. Hedonism – A philosophy that emphasizes pleasure as the ultimate goal of life. The hedonist motto is: “If it feels good, do it.” What if everyone on your team only wanted to do what was enjoyable?
  3. Minimalism – What is the least I can do? Minimal effort for maximum reward. Minimalism is the enemy of excellence and the father of mediocrity.

These philosophies are lazy attempts to answer the question: “What is the best way to live?”

A more strategic and fulfilling approach are 3 simple principles:

  1. Live to become a better version of yourself, not a second rate version. Be yourself, but a better you. Make good life choices that take you there. You have free will. You get to choose how you live your life.
  2. Virtue defines the best way to live. Who would you rather spend time with; generous people or selfish people, courageous people or cowardly people, humble people or prideful people, patient or impatient people? The whole world prefers virtue. Virtue is the essence of excellence in life and business.
  3. Self-control and delayed gratification are the keys to living for a better tomorrow, better health, and greater influence.

Individualism, Hedonism and Minimalism lead to decay of personal self-control and the demise of our ability to delay gratification. Leave pleasure seeking activities, and choose a better way to live.

Choosing happiness and satisfaction in life and business lead to an increase in our passion and purpose, and give us more energy.  Your energy is directly related to your capacity for life. The more energy you have, the more you can accomplish.

Choose to take your life and your profession seriously. You control your income. You control your time. You decide how you will live your life. In what areas of your life are you seeking pleasure vs. satisfaction? What is the number one thing that would move you to being a better version of yourself?

I challenge you today to decide to study, invest in yourself, practice, and have a system that produces the results you desire. Decide to be the best you can be.

 

Steve Montague
Sandler Training Kansas City – http://www.effectivesales.sandler.com/

 

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